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Family: Gerhard Conrad von Landsperg / Helene Engel von Hövel (F00443)



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  • Male
    Gerhard Conrad von Landsperg

    Birth     
    Death     
    Burial  1700  Næs, Romerike, Norway Find all individuals with events at this location
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    Female
    Helene Engel von Hövel

    Birth     
    Death  1685  Næs, Romerike, Norway Find all individuals with events at this location
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    Male
    + Barthold Nicolai von Landsperg

    Birth  1668  Holsten, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location
    Death  18 Feb 1740  Fredrikstad, Østfold, Norway Find all individuals with events at this location
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    Spouse  Kumerina Coucheron | F569 
    Marriage  1708  [1]  Næs, Romerike, Norway  [1] Find all individuals with events at this location
    Spouse  Catharina Margretha de Bruin | F571 
    Marriage  1728  Åsborg, Aalborg, Denmark Find all individuals with events at this location

    Female
    Helene Dorothea von Landsperg

    Birth  Abt 1670  Hamburg, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location
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    Spouse  Georg Heinrich Eckleff | F1039 
    Marriage  03 Aug 1706  Næs, Romerike, Norway Find all individuals with events at this location

    Female
    Cathrine Margrethe von Landsperg

    Birth  1675  Hamburg, Germany Find all individuals with events at this location
    Death  29 Mar 1752  Kristiania (Oslo), Norway Find all individuals with events at this location
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    Spouse  Jens Colstrup | F1038 
    Marriage  18 Jan 1704  Næs, Romerike, Norway Find all individuals with events at this location

  • Notes 
    • From various Danish sources the family von Landsperg / von Hövel can be shown as including Philip and Johann Heinrich Landsperg.

      Then there are troubles to be found, not easily sorted out.

      Apparently there are only one mother, Helene Engel von Hövel, to all of the children though born in a time spanning from 1668-1710, 45 years. This is close to physically impossible, stronged by evidence of their fathers death around 1700 and their mothers already in 1685.

      Geographically the children are born somewhat spead out in Germany; not impossible, but worth to be aware of.

      No known sources of the two last children, Philip and Johann Heinrich, tell of a 'von' in their names, opposite to the first three children.

      In short: one or more of the currently known sources seem to be wrong. Suspicion is addressed to the Danish book "Vaabenførende Slægter i Danmark" as it points out Gerhard Conrad to be father of Philip, whereafter another Danish book, "Danske skovfolk" draw Johan Heinrich into the family, as a brother to Philip.

      Maybe there is a confusion of two generations involved - or of two families? If so a link, a generation, must be missing between Gerhard Conrad and the two brothers going to Denmark. An assumption, which can explain the amount of years between births as well as the problematics arising from these two brothers born after the death of their parents - and furthermore the unlogic abscence of a 'von' in their names.

      But if so: who were the parents of Philip and Johan Heinrich?

      Information on the matter will be most welcome!

  • Sources 
    1. [S118] The family Hagerup (Reliability: 2).